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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/160795799" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#160795799">(Mar 14 2019 at 16:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>I've become quite intrigued by the idea of doing more organized <strong>sprints</strong>. Roughly speaking, the idea would be this:</p>
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<li>Every 6 weeks, we have a special meeting (perhaps it is longer) in which we pick particular goals, which we should be able to connect to some of our larger themes.<br>
    - why 6 weeks? Rust release cycle.</li>
<li>In between those meetings, we hold shorter sync meetings (like the ones we have now) in which we follow up on those goals.</li>
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<p>The idea of the longer meeting is it includes time to review how things went and to decide if we want to continue pursuing the <strong>same set</strong> of goals, or something different. </p>
<p>We might consider doing the sprint meetings over Zoom, although I think I've found that Zulip can be surprisingly high bandwidth, and I know it's better for some folks (e.g., due to language barriers, bandwidth constraints, or other things). So I'd be game to stick with Zulip. </p>
<p>I feel like we already had a sort of informal "first sprint" meeting some weeks ago, can't recall the precise date. We could kind of "retcon" a sprint from that starting point. Or we could use this coming Monday to do a first sprint meeting.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/160795812" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#160795812">(Mar 14 2019 at 16:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>( cc <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="692">@WG-traits</span> )</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/160795862" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Alexander Regueiro <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#160795862">(Mar 14 2019 at 16:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think that's a great idea.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/160795908" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Alexander Regueiro <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#160795908">(Mar 14 2019 at 16:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>informal agile methodology could definitely help us be more efficient, I reckon. :-)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/160796277" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#160796277">(Mar 14 2019 at 16:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>What do we think about using next Monday as first sprint meeting?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/160796321" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#160796321">(Mar 14 2019 at 16:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>I lean that way for a few reasons:</p>
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<li>Let us get a good feeling for what a sprint is</li>
<li>We've actually taken some good investigatory steps into RLS2.0/chalk, GATs, so I think we may be ready to dig in a bit and set some more concrete goals there</li>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/160796438" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Sunjay Varma <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#160796438">(Mar 14 2019 at 16:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>I like that it's a long sprint. That gives me the ability to get extremely busy (because I can only do this in my spare time) and then catch up again</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/160796489" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Alexander Regueiro <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#160796489">(Mar 14 2019 at 16:15)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> during the normal WG-traits meeting slot? sounds fine with me. I'll try to make it then despite the awkward time for me.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/160796509" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#160796509">(Mar 14 2019 at 16:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yes, though I would be ok with moving it 1 hr later on account of DST</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/160796518" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#160796518">(Mar 14 2019 at 16:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>I at least am available</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/160796579" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#160796579">(Mar 14 2019 at 16:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>Also, I would want to go for 1hr probably (not the 30min presently in the calendar)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/160796585" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Alexander Regueiro <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#160796585">(Mar 14 2019 at 16:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hah. DST kind of made it better for me, but if others prefer 1hr later, then fine...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/160796592" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Alexander Regueiro <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#160796592">(Mar 14 2019 at 16:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, we'd need 1hr I think.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/160796648" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#160796648">(Mar 14 2019 at 16:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm stepping out, but I'll add a special event to the calendar when I get back</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/160796677" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#160796677">(Mar 14 2019 at 16:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>People can vote in my absence :) Do it at the normal time? (Add a <span aria-label="+1" class="emoji emoji-1f44d" role="img" title="+1">:+1:</span> here)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/160796685" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#160796685">(Mar 14 2019 at 16:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>Or one hour later (Add a <span aria-label="+1" class="emoji emoji-1f44d" role="img" title="+1">:+1:</span> here)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/160797067" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Alexander Regueiro <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#160797067">(Mar 14 2019 at 16:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>Wait, is that your way of saying you don't care, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="117350">@Sunjay Varma</span>? Hehe.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/160797134" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Sunjay Varma <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#160797134">(Mar 14 2019 at 16:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>Heh. Either works for me, so I thought I'd indicate that <span aria-label="sweat smile" class="emoji emoji-1f605" role="img" title="sweat smile">:sweat_smile:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/160797513" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Alexander Regueiro <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#160797513">(Mar 14 2019 at 16:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>fair</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/160804041" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#160804041">(Mar 14 2019 at 17:41)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="131694">@scalexm</span> did you want to vote for a time? :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/160804515" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> scalexm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#160804515">(Mar 14 2019 at 17:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>Just voted</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/160805382" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#160805382">(Mar 14 2019 at 17:57)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> I like using video conferencing; much preferable to text imo, and it gets recorded so thats better</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/160806912" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> scalexm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#160806912">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:13)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="126931">@centril</span> often on Monday evenings I cannot do video, so I might be unable to attend in case we do</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/160806934" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#160806934">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>bummer</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/160899721" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Alexander Regueiro <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#160899721">(Mar 15 2019 at 18:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>how is Chalk integration coming along btw? can we play with it in nightly soon? :-)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/160919722" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Sunjay Varma <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#160919722">(Mar 15 2019 at 22:46)</a>:</h4>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/161076290" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#161076290">(Mar 18 2019 at 17:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>Argh, I never added an event for this =)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/161076369" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#161076369">(Mar 18 2019 at 17:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>There didn't seem to be a clear consensus emerging around the timing of the meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/161076724" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#161076724">(Mar 18 2019 at 17:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>So I guess we'll just stick to what the calendar says, but run longer as needed</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing%20a%20sprint%20cadence/near/161076738" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/144729-wg-traits/topic/establishing.20a.20sprint.20cadence.html#161076738">(Mar 18 2019 at 17:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Sorry <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="131694">@scalexm</span>)</p>



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